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	<title>Comments on: Epic Uptime &#8211; Bragging Rights or Epic Fail?</title>
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		<title>By: Wesley.Nonapeptide</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley.Nonapeptide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, the maintenance crew and their confounded power cuts. Last place I worked in, many of them had keycard access to the server room. Seeing reciprocating saws and tarps in the server room is not conducive to maintaining a nice, dark hair color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, the maintenance crew and their confounded power cuts. Last place I worked in, many of them had keycard access to the server room. Seeing reciprocating saws and tarps in the server room is not conducive to maintaining a nice, dark hair color.</p>
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		<title>By: Graycat</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Graycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of today my longest running Windows box is at 121 days of up time. Why? Well it&#039;s an archive server that got missed in the last patching round so I&#039;ll be doing that today.

Generally though our Windows servers are patched on a monthly / every other month schedule so anything from 30 to 60 days between restarts is about right for us.

As someone has said, it shouldn&#039;t be the total amount of up time you&#039;re looking at but the amount of *unscheduled* down time over a period (week / month / year / decade). I&#039;m very much in this group and would happily reboot my Windows machines on a weekly basis if it helped with service uptime etc.

Of course you&#039;ve also got suck fun things as *nix and BSD machines or even switches to think about. I&#039;ve got switches that haven&#039;t had a moment of unscheduled downtime for years but have been off twice in the last six months due to power maintenance in the building over a long weekend (no point running the ups all weekend just for them). 
*nix machines are also interesting in that regard as without exception all of mine simply sit there and get on with their job. After a major office migration I&#039;ve yet to turn some of them off even through their patching schedule.

I suppose that&#039;s something else to think about - the impact of patching on an infrastructure&#039;s availability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of today my longest running Windows box is at 121 days of up time. Why? Well it&#8217;s an archive server that got missed in the last patching round so I&#8217;ll be doing that today.</p>
<p>Generally though our Windows servers are patched on a monthly / every other month schedule so anything from 30 to 60 days between restarts is about right for us.</p>
<p>As someone has said, it shouldn&#8217;t be the total amount of up time you&#8217;re looking at but the amount of *unscheduled* down time over a period (week / month / year / decade). I&#8217;m very much in this group and would happily reboot my Windows machines on a weekly basis if it helped with service uptime etc.</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;ve also got suck fun things as *nix and BSD machines or even switches to think about. I&#8217;ve got switches that haven&#8217;t had a moment of unscheduled downtime for years but have been off twice in the last six months due to power maintenance in the building over a long weekend (no point running the ups all weekend just for them).<br />
*nix machines are also interesting in that regard as without exception all of mine simply sit there and get on with their job. After a major office migration I&#8217;ve yet to turn some of them off even through their patching schedule.</p>
<p>I suppose that&#8217;s something else to think about &#8211; the impact of patching on an infrastructure&#8217;s availability.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley.Nonapeptide</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley.Nonapeptide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Service uptime, never server uptime,&quot; is very well put.

I&#039;m always amazed that major institutions like banks and Microsoft have so much &quot;planned downtime&quot; for certain services. Why should my bank&#039;s website be down, ever? They make billions of dollars. They can&#039;t afford the systems necessary for service availability through patches or is there more complexity involved that I&#039;m not aware of? Hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Service uptime, never server uptime,&#8221; is very well put.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always amazed that major institutions like banks and Microsoft have so much &#8220;planned downtime&#8221; for certain services. Why should my bank&#8217;s website be down, ever? They make billions of dollars. They can&#8217;t afford the systems necessary for service availability through patches or is there more complexity involved that I&#8217;m not aware of? Hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Twirrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twirrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Service uptime, never server uptime.

Colour me paranoid, but even with a server that is ostensibly locked away from the world, I don&#039;t trust them to be safe.  If there is an exploit available for the box, I want it patched and safe.  You should never, ever, rely on other bits of security just for the sake of a kernel patch and reboot.
Several years ago I was working for a large ISP / Hosting company.  For one of our main web clusters the servers were locked away from the world nicely hidden behind firewalls and load balancers.  Taking advantage of a 0 day exploits, a hacker got on through an XSS attack, exploited up to root and started trashing the system.  Luckily quirks of the platform squashed them and their actions within about 5 minutes.  Enough time to do some damage, but not irreparably so.  If we&#039;d unintentionally got another box they could have accessed from there, they could possibly have exploited that, and so on.  It just doesn&#039;t pay to run un-patched machines.

If you can&#039;t reboot a server at any time without disrupting service, you&#039;ve got work that needs done to mitigate that problem.  It shouldn&#039;t even be necessary to post a maintenance window notice (though you always should).  Ideally no one should ever notice a server has been or is being rebooted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Service uptime, never server uptime.</p>
<p>Colour me paranoid, but even with a server that is ostensibly locked away from the world, I don&#8217;t trust them to be safe.  If there is an exploit available for the box, I want it patched and safe.  You should never, ever, rely on other bits of security just for the sake of a kernel patch and reboot.<br />
Several years ago I was working for a large ISP / Hosting company.  For one of our main web clusters the servers were locked away from the world nicely hidden behind firewalls and load balancers.  Taking advantage of a 0 day exploits, a hacker got on through an XSS attack, exploited up to root and started trashing the system.  Luckily quirks of the platform squashed them and their actions within about 5 minutes.  Enough time to do some damage, but not irreparably so.  If we&#8217;d unintentionally got another box they could have accessed from there, they could possibly have exploited that, and so on.  It just doesn&#8217;t pay to run un-patched machines.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t reboot a server at any time without disrupting service, you&#8217;ve got work that needs done to mitigate that problem.  It shouldn&#8217;t even be necessary to post a maintenance window notice (though you always should).  Ideally no one should ever notice a server has been or is being rebooted.</p>
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		<title>By: The Geekery &#187; Massive Uptimes, or the failure of them&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>The Geekery &#187; Massive Uptimes, or the failure of them&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 04:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of them&#8230;  June 18th, 2010  Goto comments Leave a comment        The Nubby Admin has a great post on uptimes, and the old fascination of having a large uptime1. Okay, you can get your minds out the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of them&#8230;  June 18th, 2010  Goto comments Leave a comment        The Nubby Admin has a great post on uptimes, and the old fascination of having a large uptime1. Okay, you can get your minds out the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley.Nonapeptide</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley.Nonapeptide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not a bug, that&#039;s a feature. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not a bug, that&#8217;s a feature. =)</p>
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		<title>By: tk</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>tk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to a bug somewhere between VMware ESX 3.5 and the OpenSolaris kernel, I had a vm that would boot and show over 8000 days of uptime.

tcsh-[110]% uptime
8:18am  up 8125 day(s), 12:19,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

Fully patched, and current, too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to a bug somewhere between VMware ESX 3.5 and the OpenSolaris kernel, I had a vm that would boot and show over 8000 days of uptime.</p>
<p>tcsh-[110]% uptime<br />
8:18am  up 8125 day(s), 12:19,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00</p>
<p>Fully patched, and current, too. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley.Nonapeptide</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley.Nonapeptide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;ve been nearly bitten by delayed reboots. Actually, it was more like &quot;I made a change that needed a reboot, but forgot to do it later that night. I remember three weeks later. What was that change I made again?&quot;

Yes, I usually have a change log page for each server in my wiki, but once in a while I get lazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve been nearly bitten by delayed reboots. Actually, it was more like &#8220;I made a change that needed a reboot, but forgot to do it later that night. I remember three weeks later. What was that change I made again?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I usually have a change log page for each server in my wiki, but once in a while I get lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley.Nonapeptide</title>
		<link>http://thenubbyadmin.com/2010/06/16/epic-uptime-bragging-rights-or-epic-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley.Nonapeptide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point about rebooting possibly masking problems! That might be an interesting topic to pursue at a later date. I tend to think that a monthly reboot is a good thing. Anything that would crop up after several months or so of uptime might not be worth worrying about.

Famous last words, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point about rebooting possibly masking problems! That might be an interesting topic to pursue at a later date. I tend to think that a monthly reboot is a good thing. Anything that would crop up after several months or so of uptime might not be worth worrying about.</p>
<p>Famous last words, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: voretaq7</title>
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		<dc:creator>voretaq7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m definitely in the &quot;Regular Reboots&quot; camp, and have been since my first &quot;Real Job&quot; in the IT field. While there&#039;s a lot to be said for a machine that has been up for 6 years  (like your netware screenshot) most of it is bad.

In FreeBSD-land we&#039;ve had several kernel-land locally exploitable privilege-escalation issues in the last 8 years (to say nothing about the panic()-inducing DoS-type bugs that have been fixed).  Not making sure your systems are up to date with those patches (which can&#039;t be applied without rebooting) is pretty much gross negligence in my book. 


All that being said I feel any machine with an uptime over one year should only be rebooted with the most extreme caution: As mentioned a few times above you never know what config changes have been made which will bite you on reboot. (My favorite example was a machine that got renumbered: The admin changed the running IP configuration (via ifconfig), but not the startup configuration files.  On reboot the machine reverted to its old IPs. Hilarity (insanity) ensued.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely in the &#8220;Regular Reboots&#8221; camp, and have been since my first &#8220;Real Job&#8221; in the IT field. While there&#8217;s a lot to be said for a machine that has been up for 6 years  (like your netware screenshot) most of it is bad.</p>
<p>In FreeBSD-land we&#8217;ve had several kernel-land locally exploitable privilege-escalation issues in the last 8 years (to say nothing about the panic()-inducing DoS-type bugs that have been fixed).  Not making sure your systems are up to date with those patches (which can&#8217;t be applied without rebooting) is pretty much gross negligence in my book. </p>
<p>All that being said I feel any machine with an uptime over one year should only be rebooted with the most extreme caution: As mentioned a few times above you never know what config changes have been made which will bite you on reboot. (My favorite example was a machine that got renumbered: The admin changed the running IP configuration (via ifconfig), but not the startup configuration files.  On reboot the machine reverted to its old IPs. Hilarity (insanity) ensued.)</p>
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